Quotes to install an oven and induction cooktop

We asked for quotes to install our oven. The cheapest and the dearest were more than $1,000 apart.

The numbers caught me out. In my head (and my ignorance), connecting an oven was an afternoon's work and a few hundred dollars. The first quote came back at $3,014 — most of the price of the oven itself. So, before agreeing to anything, I went looking to better understand why it's such a big job.

Our new 90 cm Westinghouse needs a circuit of its own: 9.6 kW, 40 amps, hardwired, single phase. The old Smeg ran its oven on a 20 amp circuit and its cooktop on gas, so there was nothing here that could carry it.

That means new cable the whole way: out of the switchboard on the garage wall, up into the roof cavity, along the length of the house, and down into the kitchen. About 25 metres. Plus fittings, breaker and isolation switch, and the labour to do it all.

To try to simplify the quoting process, I sent photos (eg the 25 metres from switchboard to kitchen, the roof cavity access) and all the info I could. I asked them to itemise the quote (at least separating parts and labour) so I could understand where the costs are, and to eliminate anything that wasn't needed (such as disposal or tile cutting), or add what wasn't quoted (such as gas disconnection).

Only one company itemised their quote prices. Here's their breakdown, which the other totals broadly agree with:

  • 25 m cable run — $440
  • Other materials — $275
  • 40 A breaker with RCD protection — $275
  • Labour — $1,210
  • Removing the old cooker and capping the gas — $330

So, about half the bill is labour, and the largest single material is the cable. Not because copper is precious, but because 40 amps over 25 metres through roof insulation needs 10 mm² cable — twice the cross-section of ordinary house wiring, and stiff enough to be a genuine wrestle through a roof cavity.

Rather than cold-calling strangers, we asked the businesses who had already worked on this house. Lexity, who once rescued us from a slug fried across our safety switch. Sapphire Solar, who added our Powerwall 3s. Lightning Energy, who installed our solar, the original Powerwall 2 and the EV charger. O'Brien Electrical, who did our air conditioning and the heat pump. The Good Guys, where we had bought the oven, had already tried to organise a couple of installers but their system fell over and their quote was highest.

One wrote back to say they only do solar and batteries. One responded quickly, then didn't send a quote for a month. Only one could quote from those photos without driving out to look.

Comparing the three usable quotes covered slightly different work. Capping the gas line needs a licensed gasfitter, and not everyone included it. Once I had added back whatever each quote left out, the complete job ran from $2,255 to more than $3,300.

The best price was O'Brien, who had quoted us seven months earlier while they were here installing the air conditioning. I went back and told them what had changed: no tile cutting needed, because an unused power point beside the stove could become the isolation switch, and we had sold the old cooker, so there was nothing to cart away. They came back $311 lower, including an extra "VIP" discount.

Coming up: The actual oven installation.

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  1. Unfortunately the location of a switchboard is often “sub-optimal”. Our house, built in the early 1970s, certainly wasn’t built for electric vehicles and home batteries. What a lack of foresight! 😢

    I faced the same dilemma when installing a wall charger for the car, -over 35m cable run, and indeed it’ll be even worse when I finally decide on installing a home battery.

    My only real option for a battery is on the North East side of the house which will cop a lot of sun, making serious sun protection absolutely essential.
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    1. David Nye True. Fortunately our switchboard is outside the garage, which made installing the batteries and EV charger relatively easy. But they're all a long way from the kitchen.
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    2. David Nye Lack of forsite in the 70s?! You are mad this was Jetsons shit at that time.

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    3. David Nye grow a plant Infront of it.

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  2. moden stove / oven draws as much as the Tesla!
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    1. Steve Wemyss Yeah! Our single phase EV charger is 7.6 kW and the oven/stove has a theoretical (unlikely) max of 9.6 kW.
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    2. Steve Wemyss for 6 mins not 6hrs

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  3. You might want to look at the numbers again. 10mm cable through insulation is only good for 36A so the breaker isn't even protecting it. And 9.6kW is closer to 42A, probably closer to 44A when you consider a realistic power factor
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    1. Stephen Sizer you might want to check the picture again. It’s not considered completely surrounded by insulation, it’s partially surrounded. Therefore good for 48A @ 25m
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      1. Jake Bellemore fair enough. I didn't look at the picture, just went off the description - "25m through insulation"

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      2. Jake Bellemore isn’t it now required to assume in domestic installations that it is fully surrounded by insulation? Table 3.4.1
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      3. Cory Allison grey area. Clause states “ Wiring systems in domestic installations shall be installed on the
        assumption that thermal insulation in ceilings, walls and under floors, if not
        currently installed, will be installed in the future.” It is installed and is only partially surrounded.

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      4. Jake Bellemore yeah it’s hard to interpret I would just assume in the future someone could cover the cables or remove and re install insulation, it’s so stupid because the derating factors are so blanket they have to encompass so many factors that cable sizing can get out of control

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    2. Stephen Sizer anyone ever use the maximum demand calculation for final sub circuits? 75% of connected load for cooking appliances ????
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      1. Tristan Price just use table c5 for cooking appliances bro I’m pretty sure that 75% sizing rule is for sizing consumer mains not fsc’s
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      2. Jeremy Jones it's not about table C5, Westinghouse demands that oven to be on a 40A dedicated breaker to maintain the warranty.
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      3. A lot of people making comments that have no idea go read the reg book 🧐

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      4. Jeremy Jones C5 always puts current lower. 9kw=25a, 75%=29a round up to 32a

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    3. Stephen Sizer good point about the Pf. Induction cooktops…

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  4. I wouldn’t get O’Brien electrical to touch anything electrical after seeing the work they did.
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    1. Jarrah McCarty-Smith explain what they do??

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  5. Depending on your cooking needs, if you're not going to be having a all you can cook oven party, your only other option is to limit current by your protection device (without running a new cable).

    The manufacturer will have power ratings for each of the functions. I doubt the fan forced oven element is greater than 2.5kW.
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    1. Mattia EV Installer i dont think you can just limit appliance current by circuit protection. You have to limit the current used on the appliance.

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      1. Deniz Halil you limit current to the size and installation condition of the cable.

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    2. Mattia EV Installer if you want to keep your warranty, you need to follow manufacturers specs.

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      1. Tom Cook I wouldn't recommend it as a go to solution.
        I've done it once, when the option of running a new feed was not cost effective and it was an elderly couple who weren't planning on cooking up a feast.
        (Obviously take the time to explain to the customer why and why not).

        As long as our cables are protected, appliance manufacturers can go ¥u€k themselves.
        Charging 600+ dollars for a 30 dollar PCB board and showing a 20 star efficiency sticker.

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      2. Mattia EV Installer you do you. I do things right.

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  6. We recently capped gas and installed an induction cooktop on a new fuse. $440 dollars in Sydney.
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    1. Don Ramjan Wow, that’s great. Did that include installing a new circuit, breaker and isolation switch?
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      1. Tesla Tripping The circuit was added to a little used fuse for underfloor heating and upgraded as the box was full. Yes. Including everything else. But I removed the old gas cooker and disconnected the gas - placed the cook top and unscrewed the oven for an easier install. Still took him 3 hrs or more.
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      2. Don Ramjan oh how I’d love to see photos of this install good lord!!
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      3. Zac Thompson What do you mean? It's a perfect install from a competent electrician. He does work for a large home extension company. Everything is to code. I capped the gas but it's been abolished.

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      4. Don Ramjan you’ve had a new circuit for an induction cooktop ran from the board, so at a minimum we are looking at an RCBO, probably 6mm cable, a cooktop functional switch, just the cooktop switch and RCBO is at least $100, cable is probably $150 minimum and you said 3 hours+ of labour that’s insane, and you said box was full so I’m guessing he had to move stuff or change other circuits or add an enclosure that’s all extra costs, we always ensure there is a current limited main switch when doing variation works or additions what’s that considered?
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      5. Zac Thompson When he did our home extension he did clipsal RCBOs and used one that has underfloor heating only on it. He explained as the board was full with Enphase/ home battery circuit he would use this and if it trips it would be either. It's not $100 for an 32a / 40a RCBO. It's a 4mtr run to the board under the house and he ran it nearly all the way. He might have done it cheaply as we paid a fortune for the extension electrics ~ 25k. Don't slander people unless you know their work. He's extremely neat and tidy and all his work is perfectly to code. He only uses the best brands for timers, RCBOs, etc.

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      6. Don Ramjan and he installed a functional switch within 2m of the cooktop? I’m not saying anything about the blokes work but just seems very cheap for what you initially insinuated was effectively a brand new circuit but because the board is full he’s just thrown your cooktop circuit on the same RCBO as an underfloor heating circuit? Just seems questionable and the fact he actually did an upgrade prior and left the board completely full with no room for expansion is poor workmanship in my opinion
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      7. Zac Thompson Yes — it has a switch. He used the existing path from the old gas igniter line and upgraded it.

        You must be an immaculate electrician if you would insist on rewiring two entire switchboards just to install a cooktop. Our main board was full, so a sub-board was installed alongside our home battery and backup circuits. Now both are full. Every electrician who inspected it suggested a complete board upgrade down the track, but only *after* completing the battery and cooktop installations.

        You must charge a fortune if that’s how you handle every job. Or just be a very dissatisfied fellow who charged so little and did great work. He makes bank on the home extensions and fact they have employed him for 20 years.

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      8. Don Ramjan yes correct if the board is full or will be full due to our works I’ll always ensure minimum 2 poles of free space if that requires a full board upgrade then that’s what I’ll price, if someone wants to come in and undercut and do it the cheap and easy way so be it, I hold my standards high and don’t deviate from there, we do the job right the first time, yeah we don’t get every job we quote but when we do we do it right
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    2. Don Ramjan Excellent. I look forward to your liquidation sale.
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  7. I guess all the quoters forgot about a lil table numbered C5 🤣 25a would’ve got the job done
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    1. Blas Fredericks absolutely
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    2. Blas Fredericks yeah stuff running a 10mm haha. Not that it would have saved really on the quote
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      1. Tom Bastin given they marked the cable up 100%.....

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    3. Get me to do it next time Tesla Tripping!
      Fredelek ⚡️🤟🏼
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    4. Blas Fredericks the table is great, but unfortunately Westinghouse voids the warranty if the oven is not installed in such circuit 🥲. I'm a sparky and someone I know wanted that oven, I checked all ins and outs.
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      1. Larissa Cristina I'm open to being wrong but maximum demand calculations is not the same as what the unit is going to draw in current
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      2. Larissa Cristina that and your insurance won't cover you if your house burns down
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      3. Greg Sharp exactly, the sparkies that sent her the quote are definitely aware of the manufacturer's requirements
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      4. Darren Tan yes, AS3000 is a guide. Manufacturers might have higher requirements for their appliances.
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      5. Greg Sharp exactly how does “your house burn down” using the correct breaker for cable installed?
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      6. Larissa Cristina I really need to ask...Are you a qualified sparky?

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      7. Darren Tan read the details from Westinghouse website about that particular model.

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      8. Larissa Cristina you didn't answer the question.

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      9. Darren Tan did you mean to reply to me? There are no questions from you to me here.

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      10. Greg Sharp circuit is protected by the breaker which will prevent said fire

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    5. Blas Fredericks manufacturers requirements override as3000. Pretty sure Westinghouse specify 10mm
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      1. Craig Hampson that’s not correct all. I constantly read about sparkys (I’m one) running 10mm for stove circuits and just shake my head in disbelief!
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      2. Jonny Pignataro why would you shake your head in disbelief? For what reason do you believe people chose a multi zone cooktop?

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      3. Jonny Pignataro 1.7.1 (c)
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      4. Jonny Pignataro as3000 is minimum. You must comply to manufacturers instructions
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      5. Jonny Pignataro contact the regulatory authority in your state and ask them if you dont believe it. I would agree that the "manufacturers instructions/requirements" often seem excessive. But these are the requirements we must adhere too.
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      6. Craig Hampson A lot of the time if you you don't comply with manufacturers instruction even if they seem silly, you will void the warranty on the item.
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      7. Brody Ross-Travis yep a very expensive lesson to learn

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      8. Jonny Pignataro are you a sparky?

        9.6kW on calculations alone is 40A
        9600/240=40

        Cable rating for standard V-90 75 degrees TPS for 6mm is 39A. Close to 40 is not compliant.

        Next size up is 10mm
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      9. Darren Tan yes I am- thanks for asking although I already stated that I was (and I’m going to guess for a lot longer than you). You keep on doing your 10mm cooktop runs if it makes you sleep better at night champ👍

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      10. Darren Tan and it needs derating or a correction factor to be applied.

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      11. Jonny Pignataro so are you saying you have been running circuits that are below manufacturers requirements? Regardless if AS300 guidelines and tables allow for it, the manufacturer will void the warranty if the installation instructions were not adhered to.

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    6. Søren Støttrup limitation of supply prevents 🔥.
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    7. Søren Støttrup not burn, just maybe trip more
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    8. Table C5 is for working out max demand for the mains/sub mains installation. (based on the assumption that not everything will be running at full load at the same time.) this is for final sub circuit, you gotta be following either full load or manufacturers specs.
      edit: i am wrong.
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      1. Nhat Nguyen Table C5 provides assessed maximum demand values that may be applied
        to a final subcircuit supplying. Copy from the regs
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      2. i stand corrected. thank you.

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      3. Juan Do Nascimento I think you jumped the gun. Read the 2nd paragraph of section c2 (not table c2) starting with "For circuits supplying a single item of equipment..."
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      4. Nhat Nguyen don't think you're wrong Nhat
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      5. at the end of the day, as long as the cabling is protected from over current, and will auto disconnect, fit for purpose is the most minor of the clause 1 aims. as long as you can defend your choice to an inspector that pulls you up, or your client from whinging, you do you. it's your licence. the rule book is a standard, a minimum standard. you can always do better, there's lots of areas in the book that the interpretation can be iffy.
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      6. Nhat Nguyen not even that inspectors don't give 2 shits that someone runs a 32A EVSE on a 16A 2.5mm2 supply.
        They consider it *protected* and therefore *safe*
        For for purpose isn't part of their job description and I rip them a new one every time I come across it.

        EG recent training presentations delivered to the solar industry with 50A RCBOs protecting 10kW inverters.
        They need min 63A to be reliable. Just the same as 5kW inverters need 32A not 25A.
        As it's still *safe* as cable is protected beyond that they don't care
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    9. Nephi Stone so what you're saying is when the oven decides it wants more than 25a the CB just trips and stops you from cooking at the higher temperatures

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    10. Blas Fredericks C5 is for max demand calculations. Not for the actual use of final subcircuit selection. Read the start of appendix C and it stipulates the purpose of max demand.

      I'm open to being wrong but I've re read it and I'm certain this is not the application for max demand

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    11. Darren Tan I’ve simply stated limitation of supply prevents fires. As the previous statement eluded to it causing fires!
      Not sure what parallel universe you reside in to draw that conclusion.
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    12. Søren Støttrup what🤦‍♂️🤔‼️

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  8. Last one we did exact same we charged $1320 inc but owner had to get their own gas disconnect
    Ps getting 5 quotes a bit much, pushes the price up
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  9. Gas and electric safety certificates aren’t free either
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  10. Would of got away with 6mm on a 32amp RCD/MCB you'll never use its full load current. Ive put many of these on a 32amp 6mm cable. We have a table in a wiring rules that also agrees with me. You had 5 quotes from 5 people who didnt know what they were talking about. This is exactly why im closing my business to many sparkies that have no idea
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    1. Ben Hoskins this person asked for the 10mm as they said, sometimes you can suggest the right way but people don’t want to listen.. the isolation switch is only 32 amp if it’s that size and not labeled so this spark didn’t give a shit anyway..

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      1. Jason Pennell im tipping the sparky ran a twin with a contactor in the board. Ive done this in the past on ovens that draw an immense amount of power like those bloody falcon ovens 🤣

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      2. Ben Hoskins only 3 phase are done like that if you value your $, clipsal do a 40a iso in a switch plate

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      3. Jason Pennell no its not mate can do single or 3 phase doesnt matter

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      4. Ben Hoskins obviously you can, but if you do, it’s a waste of money.

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    2. Ben Hoskins Westinghouse requires that oven to be on a dedicated 40A circuit to keep the warranty.

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      1. Larissa Cristina i didnt see that in the books that I read on the ones I installed

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  11. I think I’ll move to Victoria 🤑

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  12. As a guess you’re getting a markup because of how much you’re getting involved.

    Not sure on the price as overheads vary by area size of business etc. That job should be able to be quoted over the phone (subject to confirmation of site conditions on the day).

    There is the old saying that goes something like this “$50 for the job $75 if you want too watch/help”.

    Gut feel is tradies are feeling you fall into the later category.
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    1. John Harris never quote without looking as he mentioned flat roof adds hours weather premiting
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      1. You ask the question. I have a bunch of standard questions… that’s one of them. I fill in a slip on the phone of what is described and text it to them, if it changes I re-quote

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  13. Tesla Tripping luckily your mains are already big enough and/or 3-phase, so you didn't have to upgrade that as well. Someone I know wanted that oven, but they are on a single phase and a 10mm² mains 🥲
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    1. Larissa Cristina We have single phase, but it’s 63A. With all our electrification, we’re probably now at the limit.

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    2. Tesla Tripping that's interesting. From your post you have a lot of electrical demand in your house (solar, EV charger, batteries, ACs, heat pump, now this new large oven with induction stove), don't be surprised if your main switch trips on a busy day with most of your electrical appliances.
      Yes, the Aus/NZ standard gives a guideline on maximum demand for certain appliances, but I still find you have a lot going on in your house for a single phase 63A supply. You might even blow the service fuse coming from the street as it might be 50A from the time your house was first energised.
      Do you know the size of your mains? The first cable between the pole/pillar to your switchboard?
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    3. Larissa Cristina solar and batteries subtract from the demand (more often than not)
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    4. Nathan Dark depends on how it's setup. I'm not an expert on solar/battery install, but the amount of calls which ends up being a blown primary fuse or tripped main switch due to having batteries and car charging, while running other heavy loads at home, it's alarming. A few cases people were lucky this happened because their consumer mains were nowhere big enough to carry the load they were drawing!
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    5. Larissa Cristina definitely makes sense to go with dynamic load management when installing an ev charger. Standard 32A continuous is a big load regardless of what else you have running
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  14. I got all the same things done that you had listed, but in a brick house and with the cable running under the floor instead of in the roof, and without capping the gas and removing the old appliance. Same size cable as yours. We paid about $1000 for all that.
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  15. VIP!
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  16. i want my own house say all the millenials, yep..... enjoy the ride.
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  17. Why run a 40A circuit when it only needs 25A...?
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  18. Yeah because running an elec business costs a heap. Seems about right we would have been min 2.5k.
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    1. Tim Blake 3k is too cheap
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    2. Agreed.

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  19. Work costs money!!

    Tradesmen, cars, insurances, licences(multiple) , training and apprentices, fully stocked vehicles to handle any changes onsite or unexpected requirements, all the tools and equipment required to do the job, time quoting for free including all the people who never go ahead, sourcing materials, issuing safety/completion certificates that legally bind us to the work and ensuring the safety of it, triple checking the requirements of the equipment to ensure compliance and safety, keeping up with current legislation constantly in relation to AS3000 changes, updates and requirements for different types of equipment being installed, ordering equipment, picking up or paying for delivery, driving to site.. driving back from site.. doing all the paperwork required. Not to mention 4 years of training and then countless years after actually getting competent and fast at the work to make it viable to run a business and be available for such jobs.

    You need a reality check or do it yourself... oh, that's right.. you can't because you don't have all of the above!

    Prices are not ridiculous Is not much difference .. get a plumber in to do a job.. u will need a second mortgage:

    Get the guy in for a 1000 and you won't have him on the phone for problems in 6 months time or the next job nor would I be confident about the work.

    Just saying. 😎
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    1. Graham HamiltonJust putting it out there. where I am, My contractor's licence alone is $1200!!
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  20. Sorry to say after being in the electrical trade and contracting for 45 years
    No one ever asked for an itemised quote
    Also I would never have given them one
    Do it yourself next time you will save all the hard working electricians who make bugger all anyway a lot of grief
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    1. Darryl Smith Correct, it's none of the customers business besides the price they are quoted for a service. Either accept it or don't, but don't ask a business to open their books for you, unless you are their accountant.
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      1. Ben Vahanian there is nothing wrong with asking for an itemised quote. Nobody is forcing you to provide one, and you may choose not to partake, and power to you. But getting all offended about the request is silly. They aren’t asking you to open your books.
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      2. Simon Wallace knowing how much everything is individually, doesn't change the price.
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      3. Ben Vahanian I never said that it would change the price. But this closed shop attitude and equating a request for an itemised quote to being asked to open your books just gives people the shits. The sparky that provides a bit of transparency will get the work.

        Other industries do it. Sparkies are no more special than professionals in other fields.
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    2. Darryl Smith yep i dont do itemised quoting - its $0 to not do it.
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      1. Paul Bindi yeah mate no more !

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    3. Darryl Smith same here mate, when they start to ask for itemised quotes you know there are cheap.
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      1. Dom Estic or maybe - just maybe - they are willing to look at anywhere they can help / change / do something different to reduce the cost because otherwise they can’t afford it?

        Wanting to understand where the expensive bits are is not an attack on you or your business, it’s just them wanting to understand or maybe do something to reduce it.

        A very quick examples:

        Rubbish Removal. They may have a trailer and a tip pass.

        Painting - they may be decent at painting any repairs and willing to do that (where a job needs paint)

        Dismantling - If something needs dismantling before the start (flooring, kitchen etc) they may be willing to do that (and use said trailer)

        Etc.

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      2. Simon Beach rule of thumb...mate ...if you can't afford it.... don't buy it ! So many want so much for nothing...

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      3. Dom Estic yeah sure, but sometimes that's not a choice.....
        Eg hot water service dies.

        If its not adversely affecting the trades ability to do the job, or makes it easier, why not......
        🤷‍♂️

        Ultimately the trade has the choice anyway.

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  21. 40amp is full load, domestic installation don’t run ovens at full load. 10mm is an overkill. Your not paying an hourly rate, your paying for the years of expertise to do the job. 5 quotes all in ballpark region is a good sign, stop overthinking. Were you happy with the end result?
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    1. Adam Denny better looking at it than looking for it

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    2. Adam Denny Yes, very happy with the result, and their expertise. They did a great job. Better knowing all that went into it makes me understand the cost.

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    3. Adam Denny 10mm is the oven spec any less voids warranty. As3000 25a but specs say 40a
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      1. As3000 is how you interpret it. You do you.

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    4. Adam Denny Nah mate, manufactures trump as/nzs 3000. If you don't follow the specs that the manufacturer has given in the specs, your warranty will be void. For final sub circuits you need to calculate maximum potential load of that appliance, also voltage drop and de-rating of cable laid and clipped in the roof space uncovered. So no, 10mm is not overkill.
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  22. The bottom line is, do you have the skill set to do it? No. So this is the price for someone wth that skill set. If you cannot legally do a job because you did not do the apprenticeship, or you do not have a company you are not in any position to tell someone who is, what the value of that work is.
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  23. Lightening Energy absolute shit to deal with

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  24. Lol the breaker is about $40
    A roll of cable $160.
    See how your getting ripped off?
    To be honest id be getting a gas oven
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    1. Simmo Evans maybe a roll of 1.5mm twin and earth. 10mm TPS is nearly 1k for a 100m roll
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    2. Simmo Evans was over $100 a roll for 2.tmm twin and earth, and that Was over 10 Years ago. I havent needed to buy any in that time, but 10mm² is a fuck load more expensive
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      1. Neal Dzurynskyj bout 130 for 1.5, 170 for 2.5 6mm is about 400 a roll

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    3. 160 bucks a roll!!
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    4. where did you buy the $160 roll of cable. a roll of 10mm looking like 880
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    5. Simmo Evans quick check on sparky direct will show you it’s 965 for 100m plus shipping, this is easiest available retail check point so 250 for 25m is about cost price

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    6. Simmo Evans let me know where you're buying your cable from, I'll buy 10 of em
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    7. Simmo Evans A roll of 10mm2core+earth is $160? You shopping at the Chinese variety store? 😂
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    8. Simmo Evans
      100m Drum of 10mm² 2core + earth is $765.99
      and to get a 25m length cut is still = $233.75
      non including shipping or sending the apprentice to pick it up
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    9. Simmo Evans I'd also like a roll of this $160 10mm TPS cable please 😂
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    10. Simmo Evans Do you buy your Nike's at cost? Your fuel? Name one industry or product where you expect to pay cost for it.

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    11. I just came here for the $160 rolls? I’ll take 10 pls

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    12. Simmo Evans he had all the gas infrastructure there it would have cost him nothing I've just had a two clients do the same thing I'm trying to talk about it but they won't listen to me then they cracked the shits at the price but in their case it's bad luck because I'm actually charging the builder, when I put it to them you can pay nothing or you can pay about 3,000 for an induction run and the oven run and isolated RCDs benchtop isolator etc I know what I would be buying gas because it was already there

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    13. Simmo Evans No one does domestic gas ovens these days . I see one about every 5 years .
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  25. O’Brien Electrical. Good luck. They probably do windscreens pretty well but shouldn’t touch electrical.
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    1. LoL. i'm pretty sure it's not the same dude doing your windscreen that's doing your electrical. it's a franchise. what's got me curious is how a franchisee is running cheaper than the regular companies. they have the added fee of being apart of the franchise. but i guess they aren't paying for the advertising and job searches. LoL

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  26. Is this a complaint about the price ??

    Also you wouldn’t need a 40A RCBO unless specified by the manufacturer which means smaller cable too.
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    1. Andrew McArthur it is specified by the manufacturer
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  27. So many experts, most have no clue. Gas is a licensed trade. Electrical is a licensed trade.
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    1. Michael Borowik exactly... years of training, licensing, insurance, downtime, unbillable hours...
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    2. Michael Borowik and yet you’ve got Sparky’s above saying do it yourself; hello, illegal.
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      1. did they say HOW you should go about DIY'ing? because that includes doing your 4 year apprenticeship, passing your capstone and paying your registration fees. once you've done that, it's still DIY AND legal. then i'd imagine they'd stop complaining about the cost of doing said work.
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  28. And now you don’t have gas to cook with 🤪😂😂
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    1. Brett Bickerton gas sucks it's slow and takes much longer to clean up

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  29. Pricing will vary a lot based on how busy or quiet a company is, if a company is quite busy and don’t really need the work they will over quote and if they win the quote then they’re winning.

    However, there are cheap companies out there that use inferior products and will take short cuts to make jobs cheaper and as a normal consumer most won’t have any idea on what they’re even looking at so sometimes you are just getting what you pay for.
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    1. the flip side is if a company is too quiet and they have employee's on their payroll, they may quote with break even (and $0 profit) just to keep their fellas working. some money is better than no money.
      But yes, like you said, some are cheap because they are trying to get the foot in the door, have no real experience and using you as a guinea pig. others will cut corners. it's a gamble.

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  30. Could of done in 4mm on 25amp and been fine check max demand cooking appliances in as 3000

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    1. Paul Harrow nothing “overrides” AS3000

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    2. Zac Thompson yes it does. If the manufacturers requirements exceed those of AS3000 they are overriding the minimum regulatory requirements.

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      1. Kevin Klempel the AS part stands for Australian Standard, nothing overrides a National Standard, however it so happens that AS3000 does state you need to install as per manufacturers Requirements, manufacturers requirements are not a national standard however in this case you are required by a national standard to follow it they however do not “exceed” or “override” the national standards.

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  31. So you've had 5 companies quote it. They've spent at least an hour each quoting, and if doing a site visit maybe 2 hours with travel. Plus tolls if applicable, fuel, overheads. They've spent between $150 and $320 each to do your quotes, each, out of their business accounts. This is part of why your quotes are so expensive. Thats a total of between $750 and $1600 spent by businesses trying to win your job.
    Did you specify a 40A circuit? Its overkill. Table c5 in as3000 tells us what to allow for cooking appliances and would have likely let you do a different installation, but if you specified what you wanted then that's what they would have quoted.
    I run a small electrical contracting business. Our overheads are now running at $185000 per year. We need to make that back before we turn a single cent of profit. That is before paying the guys wages. Business costs are out of control, largely due to our federal government, and the consumer/end client is the one who bears the brunt of this cost.
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    1. Nigel Aubrey But clients also drive that cost significantly too let's not forget.

      In what other industries do they screw so hard on price?

      Are they hassling Fishrr and Paylel about the 4000 fridge demanding to know what it actually cost to build?

      Or their lawyer or accountant?

      Wasting so much time and resources on quoting only not to do the job. Or wanting something they cannot actually afford and expecting a trades business to subsidise their champagne tastes on their beer budget.
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      1. Kevin Klempel totally spot on. And another, dont question why the big car companies are charging more than us for junior apprentices to be servicing cars. So many examples of others overcharging - or is it charging appropriately? .

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  32. I would have done it for about $800

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    1. Daniel Alcock Can you come paint my house?

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  33. A lot of tradies don’t give itemised quotes because you would be able to check their prices and see how much you’re getting ripped, full stop.

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  34. Interesting conversation, I have been an electrician for 30 years, i see both sides of the arguments but I will remind people that running a business has many more costs than just those parts of one specific job, sure there are some contractors who charge maybe on the excessive side but until you know their business model its not that simple to assume, anyway every single person is welcome to go do the training get qualified as a tradie and run their own business.
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  35. Breakdown as follows:
    Cost to do the job and certify - $______
    Cost to not to the job $0
    Regards.
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  36. Look, respectfully, you need a reality check.
    You’re looking at a quote for $1,210 in labor for qualified trades to run a heavy circuit and cap off a gas line, and somehow reaching the conclusion that you're getting ripped off.
    How much exactly do you think a licensed electrician should be working for per hour? 🤔
    When you hire a licensed electrical contractor, you aren't paying for "a guy with a screwdriver for four hours."
    You are paying for the massive, non-negotiable overhead of keeping a licensed, insured, and fully compliant trade business on the road.
    Here is what actually eats up that money before an electrician sees a single dollar of profit:
    💼 Mandatory Business Overhead & Insurances
    • Public Liability Insurance — Crucial for high-risk work like pulling 40A circuits and capping gas lines.
    • WorkCover / Workers’ Comp — Heavy annual premiums to cover physical trade labor.
    • Tool & Equipment Insurance — Thousands of dollars of specialized tools sitting in the back of the van.
    • Income Protection & Sickness Cover — Trades don't get paid if they injure themselves on the job.
    🚐 Vehicle & Transport Costs
    • Commercial Van Overheads — Lease/loan payments, commercial insurance, high trade registration fees, and fuel.
    • Wear & Tear — Servicing, tyres, and depreciation from hauling heavy cable drums, ladders, and gear all week.
    👷‍♂️ Employee Entitlements & Compliance
    • Base Pay vs. True Cost — An electrician earning a fair wage costs a business nearly double that rate once you add Superannuation, annual leave, sick leave, public holiday pay, and long-service leave.
    • Two Trades Required — Capping a gas line requires a licensed gasfitter. If the electrician isn't dual-qualified, that means paying two separate tradespeople or bringing in a subbie. That alone eats $200–$300 of the bill.
    📋 Admin, Taxes & Safety
    • Unpaid Admin — Quoting, driving to sites, itemizing bills, and answering emails are all unpaid hours that must be built into job rates.
    • Certificates of Electrical Safety (COES) — Mandatory compliance reporting, safety testing, and state filing fees.
    • Taxes & Licensing — Annual contractor licensing fees, business tax, and ongoing safety training.
    ⚡ The Reality of the Job
    Running 25 metres of stiff, unforgiving 10mm² cable through a dark, freezing cold Melbourne roof cavity in July isn't "an afternoon's easy work."
    It is brutal, high-risk physical labor.
    If the cable is sized wrong, the breaker fails, or the gas cap leaks, your house burns down or fills with gas.
    A complete job like this—running a brand-new 40A dedicated circuit across 25m, fitting an RCD and isolation switch, PLUS gas disconnection—regularly sits between $1,800 and $2,500+ in today's market.
    Getting it down to ~$1,900–$2,200 with gas work included from a fully insured company is a completely fair price.
    Stop whining about trade prices.
    You bought a high-powered 9.6 kW appliance that required a total energy upgrade to your home.
    Pay the professionals who have the licensing, insurance, and expertise to install it safely!
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    1. Jay Park Wow, thanks for the detailed breakdown. I totally agree – pay for the expertise. All worth it. Once I saw the cost of parts and the expected labour time, it all made sense. A few items on a quote explained it much better than just a flat total.
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    2. Yep electrical contractors role is as complicated as brain surgery. Is that a blue wire or brown or green. A calculation for cable extremely complicated.

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      1. Steve Kneale No one said the job was complicated ........but running a business these days has dozens of moving parts . That's where the time and cost goes .
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    3. Jay Park Just don't use old mate with his 25a circuit, cooking one thing at a time...

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      1. Jason Oldfield c curve breaker will run at 180% of its rated load for 500 seconds from cold.
        That's 10.35kW for 9 mins.
        You simply do not have enough arms to stirr stuff that fast for that long.
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      2. Karl Jensen Old mates tripping, I hope he's not wired up anyone's hot tubs using the same principle.
        If the appliance says 40a supply, then give em 40a.
        Pretty simple really.

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      3. Jason Oldfield hot tubs not covered by table C5 in AS3000.
        Just saying ....
        Haven't seen a domestic cooktop trip a 32A breaker.

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  37. Craig McGarrity and I can see still blokes have no idea on this thread. Blows my fucking mind. They must just give licenses out nowadays

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  38. No mention of paperwork required
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  39. I would never quote from photos, too many unknowns

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  40. Take a look at Table C5

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  41. would have been half that if you got it done as do and charge , 4 or h hours work maybe 600 bucks labour . thats my rate and im 65 yo ,a Steve Youngg guy should be quicker than me

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  42. 40a rcbo is about $40 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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  43. Electricians need to stick to their guns. We’re allowed to earn money and make a good living just like anyone else. It’s always been a race to the bottom with Electrician‘s. It’s time we stood together and earned the money that we really worth. The cost of running a business is astronomical. I don’t have enough time or space to list it. What’s involved ..the consequences of doing things incorrectly are huge if you want things done right you pay for them. If you don’t you go without them or you get someone who will mucked it up .
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  44. Isaac Biasuzzo all the time writing this fuckhead post could’ve just done it himself
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  46. And this is why I don’t offer fixed price quotes and generally only work for charge up 🤣🤣 what a battle

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  47. 40 amp requirement and single phase.

    Wow.

    Why do Victorians hate Natural gas so much ?

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  48. Just a question how many hours did you spend running around to get this information? To save how much
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  49. The only that concerns me is $330 to get rid of scrap metal that they would be getting money from, everything else is fine

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    1. Brett Barclay yeah, you might get $20 after spending a few hours in labour, money in tolls and petrol. Almost definitely losing money on that quoted price 🤣

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  50. Run a 6mm, j box a meter of 10mm in the wall . Warranty sorted. 10mm is rediculous

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    1. Mcstick Llips ya wot m8
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  51. 6mm or 10mm cable?

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  52. What are you after? You either want the job done or you don't. You have quotes. Best bet is to pick the middle one. You don't get anything for nothing

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  53. So you had all the gas infrastructure there and that would have cost you nothing now you need a 32 amp induction cooker run I know what I would have chosen gas hot plates in the 20 amp oven and that would have cost you nothing either because it was already there
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    1. Steve Jay Smith and spent $300 a year to have the gas connected?
      Slower to cook
      Longer to clean

      Induction kicks ass.

      It's only money

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      1. Karl Jensen your last comment it's only money then the $300 a year doesn't matter , no chef will have an induction cooker

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      2. Steve Jay Smith I know a few chefs and they all prefer induction

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      3. Karl Jensen I am yet to meet the chef that likes induction

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  54. It looks like the cheapest quote possible didn’t install 10mm2 cable

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  55. What has not been mentioned is how the additional load affected the maximum demand in relation to the size of the mains

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  56. My guess is you believe electric is cheaper.

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  57. Darren Tan a C curve breaker will run at 180% of its rated load for 500 seconds
    32A breaker will therefore run at 57.6A for best part of 9 mins.
    That's 13.25kW.
    I can assure you - there is absolutely no way you can use that much power for that long.
    It takes a couple of minutes to boil 8L of water and a rolling boil with pasta is less than 1000W.
    A steak takes ~6mins
    Chicken takes 6-8mins

    Neither will be anything less than a charred mess if you have the cooktop on full power for more than a minute.

    32A 6mm2 is fine for most.

    I have 40A 3P to my cooktop and with that much power
    40A x 3phase x 1.8load for 500 seconds x 242V (typical at my location) =52kW.
    That's enough to launch a satellite into space and totally un-necessary.
    A 16A 3P or 32A single phase would have been just fine.

    AS3000 table C5 does indeed account for this and how cooktops and ovens work - specifically they are not constant load appliances and derated circuits are just fine.

    As for manufacturers denying warranties - just like a car manufacturer they must prove that the fault has indeed been caused by a smaller conductor to deny warranty.

    ACL is good like that.

    Is it a good idea?

    Well ....
    Tesla tripping was quoted $440 for 25m of cable that costs $8.50 / m incl GST.
    A markup of 100%.

    I bang on about appropriate CBs and cables for EVSEs but cooktops .... meh it's tough to need more than 32A single phase as 32x 230 x 1.8 = 13.2kW for 9 minutes and you simply don't have enough arms to stirr the food in the pots fast enough to ever need that much energy. IE thats > 2kWh to cook a meal when most meals take 500-700Wh of energy.

    Bark up another tree on this one.
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    1. Karl Jensen I see how that makes sense to you but that doesn't make it compliant

      Clause 2.5.3 must satisfy ib>in>iz
      It does say ib can be maximum demand

      But if you go to Appendix C for maximum demand,
      "For circuits supplying a single item of equipment, the circuit current is
      simply the nominal load current of the equipment, e.g. a 10 000 W
      230/400 V three-phase heater has a full per-phase load current of 14.5 A"

      So you need to wire that oven to a 40a breaker.

      C5 is used for calculations of diversified circuits. Not a single appliance.

      So what you're saying is that it might not trip if they aren't cooking up a storm but it's not compliant electrical works and you're okay with non compliant works.

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  58. overall, i think that's a pretty reasonable price. We'll be doing a similar upgrade sometime in the near future to replace our Gas stove. I'd be interested in knowing how you find the Westinghouse cooker.

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